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Author: Pez D SpencerDate: 04:08 12-07-06
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...this used to be the super-secret "hardcore" subject in muscle mags
circa 1996.
i tried it for a bit, but they only noticeable effect i got from it was
dizziness between the gym and north dining when i was in college. by
the time i started with the 250, i had already left the insulin behind.
did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
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Author: Hemlock LarryDate: 06:44 12-07-06
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X-No-archive: yes
"Pez D Spencer" <> ...this used to be the super-secret
"hardcore" subject in
muscle mags circa 1996.
>
I thought people like Andreas Munzer were doing it. That nutjob (steroid
guru) from Muscle Media claimed it was the big secret, and then came HGH and
blew everything else out of the water.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catinsulin.htm
I am not sure if you will see any value in using insulin based on the above
article. It seems marginal at best.
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Author: OmManiPadmeOmeletDate: 10:14 12-07-06
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In article <1152691683.199580.87260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Pez D Spencer" <colecoadam@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...this used to be the super-secret "hardcore" subject in muscle mags
> circa 1996.
>
> i tried it for a bit, but they only noticeable effect i got from it was
> dizziness between the gym and north dining when i was in college. by
> the time i started with the 250, i had already left the insulin behind.
>
> did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
Yeah.
I've known people that died from it.
This is a personal opinion, but I think that using exogenous insulin is
stupid. Too risky. You can manipulate insulin levels more safely with
dietary measures...
If someone feels my opinion is erroneous, I'm always up for an education.
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
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Author: PeteDate: 13:29 12-07-06
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Omelet@brokeneggs.com> schreef:
>> did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
> Yeah.
> I've known people that died from it.
> This is a personal opinion, but I think that using exogenous insulin is
> stupid. Too risky. You can manipulate insulin levels more safely with
> dietary measures...
> If someone feels my opinion is erroneous, I'm always up for an education.
No, its not erronous.
I think i am known for my liberal thoughts about certain substances, but i
wouldnt touch this stuff if they gave it to me for free.
If i fuck up a dosage, with lets say, tetosterone, i will take 3000mg
instead of a 1000, no big deal. It just means that i can skip 3-4 weeks, due
to its half-life.
Do that with insuline an you will end up dead. Just like diuretics, or even
worse, extreme low carb diet, high reps, AND diuretics. With EPO and
diuretics even worse.
Not all drugs were created equal, wrt certain risks.
----
Pete
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Author: PeteDate: 13:33 12-07-06
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"Pez D Spencer" <colecoadam@gmail.com> schreef:
> ...this used to be the super-secret "hardcore" subject in muscle mags
> circa 1996.
A little earlier, i believe. Rumour has it Milos and Dorian were among the
first Pros who used it.
But WITH growth hormone and steroids. Or at least steroids.
> i tried it for a bit, but they only noticeable effect i got from it was
> dizziness between the gym and north dining when i was in college. by
> the time i started with the 250, i had already left the insulin behind.
You create a certain "window" in which you HAVE to consume a calculated
amount of carbs and proteins.
> did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
Well, the Pros do. With GH and steroids.
----
Pete
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Author: JMWDate: 13:47 12-07-06
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"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>"Pez D Spencer" <colecoadam@gmail.com> schreef:
>
>> ...this used to be the super-secret "hardcore" subject in muscle mags
>> circa 1996.
>
>A little earlier, i believe. Rumour has it Milos and Dorian were among the
>first Pros who used it.
>
>But WITH growth hormone and steroids. Or at least steroids.
>
>> i tried it for a bit, but they only noticeable effect i got from it was
>> dizziness between the gym and north dining when i was in college. by
>> the time i started with the 250, i had already left the insulin behind.
>
>You create a certain "window" in which you HAVE to consume a calculated
>amount of carbs and proteins.
>
>> did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
>
>Well, the Pros do. With GH and steroids.
The hGH is essentially worthless without it -- a waste of a lot of
money.
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Author: OmManiPadmeOmeletDate: 14:57 12-07-06
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In article <44b53136$0$88570$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Omelet@brokeneggs.com> schreef:
>
> >> did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
>
> > Yeah.
>
> > I've known people that died from it.
>
> > This is a personal opinion, but I think that using exogenous insulin is
> > stupid. Too risky. You can manipulate insulin levels more safely with
> > dietary measures...
>
> > If someone feels my opinion is erroneous, I'm always up for an education.
>
> No, its not erronous.
> I think i am known for my liberal thoughts about certain substances, but i
> wouldnt touch this stuff if they gave it to me for free.
>
> If i fuck up a dosage, with lets say, tetosterone, i will take 3000mg
> instead of a 1000, no big deal. It just means that i can skip 3-4 weeks, due
> to its half-life.
>
> Do that with insuline an you will end up dead. Just like diuretics, or even
> worse, extreme low carb diet, high reps, AND diuretics. With EPO and
> diuretics even worse.
>
> Not all drugs were created equal, wrt certain risks.
>
> ----
> Pete
Thank you...
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
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Author: OmManiPadmeOmeletDate: 15:05 12-07-06
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In article <badab2dbiq0b6ksff2sv3s8cptq4uf7qeo@4ax.com>,
JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>
> >"Pez D Spencer" <colecoadam@gmail.com> schreef:
> >
> >> ...this used to be the super-secret "hardcore" subject in muscle
mags
> >> circa 1996.
> >
> >A little earlier, i believe. Rumour has it Milos and Dorian were among the
> >first Pros who used it.
> >
> >But WITH growth hormone and steroids. Or at least steroids.
> >
> >> i tried it for a bit, but they only noticeable effect i got from it was
> >> dizziness between the gym and north dining when i was in college. by
> >> the time i started with the 250, i had already left the insulin behind.
> >
> >You create a certain "window" in which you HAVE to consume a
calculated
> >amount of carbs and proteins.
> >
> >> did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
> >
> >Well, the Pros do. With GH and steroids.
>
> The hGH is essentially worthless without it -- a waste of a lot of
> money.
Without Insulin, or steroids?
Either/or I have to disagree...
1/2 IU per day has done wonders for my housemate, but he's 74.....
Might be useless for body building, but it's anything but useless for
the elderly. The only other anti-aging supplements he uses are Melatonin
and DHEA...
--
Peace!
Om
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
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Author: DZDate: 15:33 12-07-06
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OmManiPadmeOmelet <Omelet@brokeneggs.com> wrote:
> 1/2 IU per day has done wonders for my housemate, but he's 74.....
>
> Might be useless for body building, but it's anything but useless for
> the elderly. The only other anti-aging supplements he uses are Melatonin
> and DHEA...
Imagine a system which is failing because of the defect in one of the
many critical components. There can be ways to temporarily restore the
component functionality in a way that would drastically reduce the
lifespan of all the other components. But in this particular case the
lifespan of the failing system is extended.
It is the same as to say that morphine is "anti-aging" because it can
increase the number of remaining days in terminally ill.
GH is anything but anti-aging, and it is very likely to accelerate
aging. But it's not a contradiction that one may feel much better, or
even appear healthier, while going down at a faster pace.
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Author: PeteDate: 16:48 12-07-06
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"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> schreef:
>>You create a certain "window" in which you HAVE to consume a
calculated
>>amount of carbs and proteins.
>>> did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
>>Well, the Pros do. With GH and steroids.
> The hGH is essentially worthless without it -- a waste of a lot of
> money.
I believe the most succesfull users stack it with test, some orals, insuline
and Cytomel, which is T3 i believe.
Thats a lot of drugs.
And the actual "workhorse" seems to be IGF-1. I believe there is a theory
that the presence of DHT seems to stimulate the liver to have a higher IGF
output.
----
Pete
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Author: JMWDate: 21:22 12-07-06
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"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> schreef:
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>>>You create a certain "window" in which you HAVE to consume a
calculated
>>>amount of carbs and proteins.
>
>>>> did anyone ever see any meaningful results from using it?
>
>>>Well, the Pros do. With GH and steroids.
>
>> The hGH is essentially worthless without it -- a waste of a lot of
>> money.
>
>I believe the most succesfull users stack it with test, some orals, insuline
>and Cytomel, which is T3 i believe.
>
>Thats a lot of drugs.
>
>And the actual "workhorse" seems to be IGF-1. I believe there is a theory
>that the presence of DHT seems to stimulate the liver to have a higher IGF
>output.
I'm not talking about complex drug-stacking, Pete. I'm just talking
about the use of hGH. Some people have used it without added insulin;
that includes at least one person I know whose naïveté in that regard
would surprise you.
Yes, release of IGF-1 is the ultimate goal, but how effective that is
depends on what you take to induce it. Insulin and hGH together have
a synergistic effect. In one in vitro study, insulin increased IGF-1
release by one-third, GH almost doubled it, but insulin and GH
together induced IGF-1 release that was 4.5 times the basal levels.
That was what I meant.
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Author: PeteDate: 06:56 13-07-06
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"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> schreef:
>>And the actual "workhorse" seems to be IGF-1. I believe there is a
theory
>>that the presence of DHT seems to stimulate the liver to have a higher IGF
>>output.
> I'm not talking about complex drug-stacking, Pete.
I think that the use of either insuline or GH is complex by itself.
As you allready know, its not like you throw together few injectables like
test/Deca with Dianabol/oxymetholone.
Dosages are always rough ballparkpark figures, and there are big tresholds.
Like i mentioned in the other post, if you triple the dosage for a week, no
big deal.
Not so with Gh/insuline/Cytomel.
> I'm just talking
> about the use of hGH. Some people have used it without added insulin;
> that includes at least one person I know whose naïveté in that regard
> would surprise you.
Hmmm... If you are reffereing to a former regular?
I know a regular who used insuline with Deca, and was pleased about the
results.
Van Der used all the abovementioned, but didnt weigh more then 215.
> Yes, release of IGF-1 is the ultimate goal, but how effective that is
> depends on what you take to induce it. Insulin and hGH together have
> a synergistic effect.
Insuline and steroids work very well. I believe the aminos are transported
better to the muscle cells, where the AS and the receptor do the rest. This
implies the use of an AS with good binding there. Just a theory.
> In one in vitro study, insulin increased IGF-1
> release by one-third, GH almost doubled it, but insulin and GH
> together induced IGF-1 release that was 4.5 times the basal levels.
I think no preffesional Bber uses Gh+insuline without the addition of a few
grams of steroids. Or Cytomel. And with the right dosing/cycling schedule,
the results can be spectacular. We allready witnessed that.
> That was what I meant.
I know.
----
Pete
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Author: Will BrinkDate: 09:35 13-07-06
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In article <8v6bb2h2tqe0qpo7p9o5bth4gqhe4mc2f1@4ax.com>,
JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> Yes, release of IGF-1 is the ultimate goal, but how effective that is
> depends on what you take to induce it. Insulin and hGH together have
> a synergistic effect. In one in vitro study, insulin increased IGF-1
> release by one-third, GH almost doubled it, but insulin and GH
> together induced IGF-1 release that was 4.5 times the basal levels.
>
> That was what I meant.
Insulin may also be acting synergistically by lowering IGFBP's, so there
appears to be several ways by which the two interact.
--
Will Brink @ www.BrinkZone.com
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