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I am 40 years old male, and i want to gain weight/muscles by lift heavy
weight. I started doing that and I love it.. do you recommend any book
website show how to exercise and gain muscles. I also like to know
which kind of food is good while I am exercising. appreciate your help
in advanced.
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 11:42 11-10-06
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<userme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160576563.169497.241620@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I am 40 years old male, and i want to gain weight/muscles by lift heavy
> weight. I started doing that and I love it.. do you recommend any
> book
> website show how to exercise and gain muscles. I also like to know
> which kind of food is good while I am exercising. appreciate your help
> in advanced.
I would start with a web search on the word "hypertrophy," the term we
use around here for increasing muscle size. The Wikipedia entry was
interesting.
One of the classic hypertrophy programs is known as 20-rep squats.
Search on that and you'll find books and articles as well.
Good luck.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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Author: PeteDate: 11:53 11-10-06
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"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:
> One of the classic hypertrophy programs is known as 20-rep squats. Search
> on that and you'll find books and articles as well.
Note to OP;
20 rep squats are NOT the best way to gain size.
Stick to anything between 6-10, or 12 if you insist.
----
Pete
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Author: Curt JamesDate: 19:26 11-10-06
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Pete wrote:
> "Steve Freides" schreef:
>
> > One of the classic hypertrophy programs is known as
> > 20-rep squats. Search on that and you'll find books and
> > articles as well.
>
> Note to OP;
>
> 20 rep squats are NOT the best way to gain size.
>
> Stick to anything between 6-10, or 12 if you insist.
Freides, why are you commenting in a thread titled "gaining muscles"?
But if you're going to then would it have killed you to include a link
to Strossen's _Super Squats_? See:
http://www.amazon.com/Super-Squats-Pounds-Muscle-Weeks/dp/0926888005
Hypertrophy's not your thing, is it?
> Pete
I recently blinked mightily but remained silent (any protest, I
suspect, woulda fallen on deaf ears, unfortunately) as a medical
professional warned me of the dangers of gaining really big muscles
because, "all that muscle will turn to fat."
It's inconceivable that anyone still believes that is a possibility.
But there it was. And said with a straight face to boot. Incredible.
--
Curt
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Author: Björn BruderDate: 02:19 12-10-06
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start with sets up to 12 reps and with 2 secs on and 1 sec off ...
food is very important.. eat eat eat and eat more ;)
6 meals a day
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Author: StuDate: 04:46 12-10-06
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Curt James wrote:
> I recently blinked mightily but remained silent (any protest, I
> suspect, woulda fallen on deaf ears, unfortunately) as a medical
> professional warned me of the dangers of gaining really big muscles
> because, "all that muscle will turn to fat."
>
> It's inconceivable that anyone still believes that is a possibility.
> But there it was. And said with a straight face to boot. Incredible.
That, along with "You've gotta have some fat to turn into muscle".
It's amazing how many people think that's the way it works...
If only it were true... I'd have killer abs by now. :-)
Stu
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Author: Curt JamesDate: 06:26 12-10-06
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Stu wrote:
> Curt James wrote:
> > <snip> a medical professional warned me of the dangers of
> > gaining really big muscles because, "all that muscle will turn
> > to fat."
> >
> > It's inconceivable that anyone still believes that is a possibility.
> > But there it was. And said with a straight face to boot. Incredible.
>
> That, along with "You've gotta have some fat to turn into muscle".
> It's amazing how many people think that's the way it works...
>
> If only it were true... I'd have killer abs by now. :-)
:oD hhaHA! Same here, same here.
> Stu
--
Curt
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Author: Andrzej RosaDate: 08:27 12-10-06
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Dnia 2006-10-12 Stu napisa³(a):
> Curt James wrote:
>> I recently blinked mightily but remained silent (any protest, I
>> suspect, woulda fallen on deaf ears, unfortunately) as a medical
>> professional warned me of the dangers of gaining really big muscles
>> because, "all that muscle will turn to fat."
>>
>> It's inconceivable that anyone still believes that is a possibility.
>> But there it was. And said with a straight face to boot. Incredible.
>
> That, along with "You've gotta have some fat to turn into muscle".
Well, I think it makes a little bit of sense... Not overly much, but I
wouldn't ridicule it, not totally.
My point is that gaining muscle at 5% would be kinda hard. Much!
harder than at 15%.
This calorie excess requirement does not convince me. What you can
gain in a month? 1kg of muscle? How much extra calories would it
require? 30 a day?
But still most people get stronger if they bulk up a little, so there
should be some other explanation. I suspect that it works the same way
as with a people, who would buy some luxury thingies if they have a fat
account (pun intended) in the bank, but refrain from it if they are
broke.
--
Andrzej Rosa
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Author: StuDate: 09:02 12-10-06
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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Well, I think it makes a little bit of sense... Not overly much, but I
> wouldn't ridicule it, not totally.
No we're talking about people who think fat turns into muscle... ie,
you put on fat, then somehow convert it to muscle by working out... and
when you stop, it all turns into fat again.
> My point is that gaining muscle at 5% would be kinda hard. Much!
> harder than at 15%.
Depends if you've just dieted down to 5% and get a rebound or not...
:-)
Stu
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Author: PeteDate: 09:29 12-10-06
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"Stu" <sswain@iname.com> schreef:
>> Well, I think it makes a little bit of sense... Not overly much, but I
>> wouldn't ridicule it, not totally.
> No we're talking about people who think fat turns into muscle... ie,
> you put on fat, then somehow convert it to muscle by working out...
I think thats physiologically impossible. A fat molecule doent have
nitrogen. I think.
> and when you stop, it all turns into fat again.
I think the aminos will leave a carbon skeleton (JMW?) So there is sugar
availeble for energy.
If you dont burn the sugar it will be stored as fat.
So...
Muscle ---> Fat is not correct.
Muscle ---> Sugar ---> Fat *could* be correct.
>> My point is that gaining muscle at 5% would be kinda hard. Much!
>> harder than at 15%.
Well, there is a ton of fat in baby milk. Must be in there for a reason.
----
Pete
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Author: Andrzej RosaDate: 09:48 12-10-06
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Dnia 2006-10-12 Stu napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Well, I think it makes a little bit of sense... Not overly much, but I
>> wouldn't ridicule it, not totally.
>
> No we're talking about people who think fat turns into muscle...
Are you sure they mean it literally?
> ie,
> you put on fat, then somehow convert it to muscle by working out... and
> when you stop, it all turns into fat again.
From the mirror point of view, I've seen it happen. ;-)
--
Andrzej Rosa
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Author: DZDate: 15:38 12-10-06
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Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> userme@hotmail.com wrote:
>> I am 40 years old male, and i want to gain weight/muscles by lift
>> heavy weight. I started doing that and I love it.. do you recommend
>> any book website show how to exercise and gain muscles. I also like
>> to know which kind of food is good while I am
>> exercising. appreciate your help in advanced.
>
> One of the classic hypertrophy programs is known as 20-rep squats.
> Search on that and you'll find books and articles as well.
Are you saying that doing 20 rep squats will result in all that
voluptuous nonfunctional fluff muscle?
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 16:16 12-10-06
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Author: JMWDate: 16:18 12-10-06
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DZ wrote:
> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> > userme@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> I am 40 years old male, and i want to gain weight/muscles by lift
> >> heavy weight. I started doing that and I love it.. do you recommend
> >> any book website show how to exercise and gain muscles. I also like
> >> to know which kind of food is good while I am
> >> exercising. appreciate your help in advanced.
> >
> > One of the classic hypertrophy programs is known as 20-rep squats.
> > Search on that and you'll find books and articles as well.
>
> Are you saying that doing 20 rep squats will result in all that
> voluptuous nonfunctional fluff muscle?
High volume agitation of muscles makes them extra fluffy, like meringue.
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Author: DZDate: 16:27 12-10-06
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Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> "DZ" wrote:
>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>> userme@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> I am 40 years old male, and i want to gain weight/muscles by lift
>>>> heavy weight. I started doing that and I love it.. do you recommend
>>>> any book website show how to exercise and gain muscles. I also like
>>>> to know which kind of food is good while I am
>>>> exercising. appreciate your help in advanced.
>>>
>>> One of the classic hypertrophy programs is known as 20-rep squats.
>>> Search on that and you'll find books and articles as well.
>>
>> Are you saying that doing 20 rep squats will result in all that
>> voluptuous nonfunctional fluff muscle?
>
> No.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophy - 4th paragraph:
> "Two different types of hypertrophy are common; Sarcoplasmic
> hypertrophy, in which sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases
> rather than the contractile protein, and hence no increase in
> contractile strength. Myofibrillar Hypertrophy, in which there is an
> increase in myofibrils, and hence increase in muscular contractile
> strength."
So which kind of hypertrophy do you think the "20 rep squats" should
promote?
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 17:59 12-10-06
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Author: DZDate: 18:30 12-10-06
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Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> "DZ" wrote:
>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>> "DZ" wrote:
>>>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>>> userme@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> I am 40 years old male, and i want to gain weight/muscles by
lift
>>>>>> heavy weight. I started doing that and I love it.. do you
>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>> any book website show how to exercise and gain muscles. I also
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to know which kind of food is good while I am
>>>>>> exercising. appreciate your help in advanced.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the classic hypertrophy programs is known as 20-rep squats.
>>>>> Search on that and you'll find books and articles as well.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that doing 20 rep squats will result in all that
>>>> voluptuous nonfunctional fluff muscle?
>>>
>>> No.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophy - 4th paragraph:
>>> "Two different types of hypertrophy are common; Sarcoplasmic
>>> hypertrophy, in which sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases
>>> rather than the contractile protein, and hence no increase in
>>> contractile strength. Myofibrillar Hypertrophy, in which there is an
>>> increase in myofibrils, and hence increase in muscular contractile
>>> strength."
>>
>> So which kind of hypertrophy do you think the "20 rep squats" should
>> promote?
>
> I don't know. My guess is that a program like 20 reps squats, which was
> popular with old-timers and is still popular with strength athletes
> looking to add size and bodybuilders looking to add strength, will favor
> myofibrillar gains ... over fluff. You didn't think I'd avoid the word
> "fluff," did you? :)
So, if 20 reps is myofibrillar, then does it mean that to promote the
sarcoplasmic (aka fluff, per you) hypertrophy, one would have to go
with HEAVIER weights and decrease the reps into the more familiar
bodybuilding range?
Or do you think bodybuilders have to go the other direction and do
some kind of "80 rep squats"?
Or perhaps do you think that squats, being a magic exercise and all,
cannot be used to develop the sarcoplasmic hypertrophy no matter what
the rep range is?
> Which kind of hypertrophy would _you_ expect 20-rep squats to favor?
I think you know my answer - there ain't no such thing as fluff
muscle.
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Author: Curt JamesDate: 20:02 12-10-06
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Steve Freides wrote:
[...]
> I don't know.
"No shit, Sherlock."
heh
Anyway...
> My guess
Kindly label all future posts of this type clearly as conjecture. I
mean at least until which time this newsgroup is renamed
misc.guesswork.weights, 'kay? Thanks!
> is that a program like 20 reps squats, which was popular
> with old-timers and is still popular with strength athletes
> looking to add size and bodybuilders looking to add strength,
> will favor myofibrillar gains ... over fluff.
Uh huh.
> You didn't think I'd avoid the word "fluff," did you? :)
Not necessarily, but I would think that someone has asked for a
definition of fluff in the context you seem to favor. HAS anyone asked
for that particular definition? And, if so, have you offered any
response? Tia.
[...]
--
Curt
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 22:35 12-10-06
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Author: ShuteDate: 22:49 12-10-06
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:59:25 -0400, "Steve Freides"
<steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>I don't know. My guess is that a program like 20 reps squats, which was
>popular with old-timers and is still popular with strength athletes
>looking to add size and bodybuilders looking to add strength, will favor
>myofibrillar gains ... over fluff. You didn't think I'd avoid the word
>"fluff," did you? :)
>
>Which kind of hypertrophy would _you_ expect 20-rep squats to favor?
The book I am reading says bodybuilders have greater volumes of
sarcoplasm than any other muscular athletes do. The author only
speculates as to what that means or how they got it.
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