Author: _BigredDate: 00:21 11-02-07
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What is the general thoughts on what muscle groups to train together each
day.
I'm currently doing 6 days of lifting and 6 days of cardio (cardio is 30
minutes).
Would like to build bigger arms and transform a flabby chest and abs.
I have a buddy that says he trains his:
biceps and triceps together.
Where can I learn to setup a quality lifting program, I'm kind of just
stumbling around for the past 1-1/2 months. I don't want to overtrain and
want to make certain that I'm pushing myself the hardest each workout.
When I do my current routine, I will just reverse the order in which I do
the exercises every other workout. I have tried to breakdown my routine to
work 1 or 2 body parts each day. I mainly use machine weights and have
just
started incorporating cable machines into the mix. Ultimately I will
gravitate to free weights but I think that might be another month down the
road - since I'm just getting back into lifting (and really just now
starting to take it seriously).
I'm tired of being flabby and weak (compared to other guys my size). My
legs
and calves are my strong point.
TIA,
_Bigred
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Author: MancoDate: 01:41 11-02-07
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_Bigred wrote:
> What is the general thoughts on what muscle groups to train together
> each day.
>
> I'm currently doing 6 days of lifting and 6 days of cardio (cardio is
> 30 minutes).
>
I would recommend not doing cardio on the same day as weight lifting.
Alternate it.
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Author: PeteDate: 05:59 11-02-07
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"_Bigred" <spam@reallysucks.org> schreef:
> What is the general thoughts on what muscle groups to train together each
> day.
Push/pull/legs or upper body/lower body.
Or a combination. Like back/delts tris, chest/bis, legs/abs.
Or Back/delts, chest/arms, legs abs.
Or Legs/delts, back, chest/arms.
Or Chest/back, Legs, delts /arms.
> I'm currently doing 6 days of lifting and 6 days of cardio (cardio is 30
> minutes).
> Would like to build bigger arms and transform a flabby chest and abs.
Train the arms heavy for a while and then go on a diet.
Dont get suckered gy the idea that "diets dont work, exercise does!"
When it comes to losing weight, eating less is the way to go.
> I have a buddy that says he trains his:
> biceps and triceps together.
Can be done.
--
Pete
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Author: Tom AndersonDate: 10:12 11-02-07
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Pete wrote:
> "_Bigred" <spam@reallysucks.org> schreef:
>
>> What is the general thoughts on what muscle groups to train together each
>> day.
>
> Push/pull/legs or upper body/lower body.
Ancient wisdom!
> Or a combination. Like back/delts tris, chest/bis, legs/abs.
Which day would you do (a) bench presses and (b) rows on?
tom
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:21:39 -0600, "_Bigred" <spam@reallysucks.org>
wrote:
>What is the general thoughts on what muscle groups to train together each
>day.
>
>I'm currently doing 6 days of lifting and 6 days of cardio (cardio is 30
>minutes).
>
>Would like to build bigger arms and transform a flabby chest and abs.
>
>I have a buddy that says he trains his:
>
>biceps and triceps together.
>
>Where can I learn to setup a quality lifting program, I'm kind of just
>stumbling around for the past 1-1/2 months. I don't want to overtrain and
>want to make certain that I'm pushing myself the hardest each workout.
>
>When I do my current routine, I will just reverse the order in which I do
>the exercises every other workout. I have tried to breakdown my routine to
>work 1 or 2 body parts each day. I mainly use machine weights and have
>just
>started incorporating cable machines into the mix. Ultimately I will
>gravitate to free weights but I think that might be another month down the
>road - since I'm just getting back into lifting (and really just now
>starting to take it seriously).
>
>I'm tired of being flabby and weak (compared to other guys my size). My
>legs
>and calves are my strong point.
>
>TIA,
>_Bigred
>
>
>
>
>I'm protected by SpamBrave
>http://www.spambrave.com/
>
You'll find some good lifting routines here -
http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=26
but not 6 days/wk ones.
I don't know what it's like to do routines using machines, but when
you get to free weights, a 6 days/week may not be advisable unless
you're following a very abbreviated program, such as Tsatsouline's
Power to the People approach and working for strength over size.
You can, however, find a 6 days/week program at
http://drsquat.com/articles/trainingsplit.html
If you like the traditional bodybuilder approach and want to pair up
muscle groups and train these when they are maximally fresh, you'll
pair up body parts that have a minimal negative impact on each -
legs and arms, shoulders and biceps, etc.
A 6 day split (which doesn't pair up exercises at the same workout
session) might look like this -
chest
biceps
legs
triceps
back
shoulders
off
Are you sure that, as a relative beginner, you want to focus on
bodyparts as distinct from doing entire body workouts which
involve squatting, deadlifting, pressing, doing pullups, etc? This
would be the better choice, in my opinion.
http://www.trygve.com/mfw_faq.html#entirebody
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Author: Sir JackeryDate: 13:09 11-02-07
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, _Bigred wrote:
> What is the general thoughts on what muscle groups to train together each
> day.
>
> I'm currently doing 6 days of lifting and 6 days of cardio (cardio is 30
> minutes).
>
> Would like to build bigger arms and transform a flabby chest and abs.
>
> I have a buddy that says he trains his:
>
> biceps and triceps together.
>
> Where can I learn to setup a quality lifting program, I'm kind of just
> stumbling around for the past 1-1/2 months. I don't want to overtrain and
> want to make certain that I'm pushing myself the hardest each workout.
>
> When I do my current routine, I will just reverse the order in which I do
> the exercises every other workout. I have tried to breakdown my routine to
> work 1 or 2 body parts each day. I mainly use machine weights and have
> just
> started incorporating cable machines into the mix. Ultimately I will
> gravitate to free weights but I think that might be another month down the
> road - since I'm just getting back into lifting (and really just now
> starting to take it seriously).
>
> I'm tired of being flabby and weak (compared to other guys my size). My
> legs
> and calves are my strong point.
>
> TIA,
> _Bigred
Check out http://www.exrx.net/Lists/WorkoutMenu.html
for workout templates. Or listen to Pete's response.
--Sir Jackery
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Author: Andrzej RosaDate: 17:01 11-02-07
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Dnia 2007-02-11 _Bigred napisał(a):
> What is the general thoughts on what muscle groups to train together each
> day.
>
> I'm currently doing 6 days of lifting and 6 days of cardio (cardio is 30
> minutes).
I assume that you do both weights and cardio on the same day.
> Would like to build bigger arms and transform a flabby chest and abs.
>
> I have a buddy that says he trains his:
>
> biceps and triceps together.
>
> Where can I learn to setup a quality lifting program,
Try the Internet. You won't be able to build a program until you'll
read some, and for some time too. Until you'll learn how to think, you
can try the following.
A: Bench press, dumbbell row, weighted dips, chinups
B: Clean & Press, barbell curls, close grip benches, situps
C: Squats, Stiff legged deadlifts, standing calf raises
You won't go wrong with this workout. It's good. If you have mostly
machines, do something along these lines. Do as many sets of the above
exercises as you have time and gas in you. Think about your next
workout. If you do too much, you won't be able to repeat the
performance from your last, so adjust accordingly. You shouldn't go
much above your ability to recover, but you should also push it a bit,
so it's an art, at least to a point.
> I'm kind of just
> stumbling around for the past 1-1/2 months. I don't want to overtrain and
> want to make certain that I'm pushing myself the hardest each workout.
This you have to learn on your own. Nobody has your body so nobody can
tell how much is too much for you.
> When I do my current routine, I will just reverse the order in which I do
> the exercises every other workout. I have tried to breakdown my routine to
> work 1 or 2 body parts each day. I mainly use machine weights and have
> just started incorporating cable machines into the mix.
OK, so try this:
A: Chest press, Cable row, Incline press, lat pulldown
B: Shoulder press, curl, triceps pushdowns, ab machine
C: Leg presses, back hyperextensions, calf machine, leg extensions or
curls (on alternate workouts).
> Ultimately I will
> gravitate to free weights but I think that might be another month down the
> road - since I'm just getting back into lifting (and really just now
> starting to take it seriously).
>
> I'm tired of being flabby and weak (compared to other guys my size). My
> legs and calves are my strong point.
Good for you.
--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
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Author: ShuteDate: 19:08 11-02-07
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:41:39 GMT, "Manco" <manco_dollars@net2blah.com>
wrote:
>_Bigred wrote:
>> What is the general thoughts on what muscle groups to train together
>> each day.
>>
>> I'm currently doing 6 days of lifting and 6 days of cardio (cardio is
>> 30 minutes).
>>
>
>I would recommend not doing cardio on the same day as weight lifting.
>Alternate it.
>
He works out six days a week. There are no other days.
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Author: MancoDate: 19:45 11-02-07
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Shute wrote:
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>
> He works out six days a week. There are no other days.
I also work out 6 days a week. I do cardio on 3 of those days. What's so
complicated to understand? Doing instense cardio every day is
counter-productive. Particularly since doing weights will up the heart rate
anyways.
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Author: Sir JackeryDate: 22:19 11-02-07
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Manco wrote:
> Shute wrote:
>>>
>>
>> He works out six days a week. There are no other days.
>
> I also work out 6 days a week. I do cardio on 3 of those days. What's so
> complicated to understand? Doing instense cardio every day is
> counter-productive. Particularly since doing weights will up the heart rate
> anyways.
Not to mention how many calories intense weight lifting burns.
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Author: ShuteDate: 00:27 12-02-07
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:45:56 GMT, "Manco" <manco_dollars@net2blah.com>
wrote:
>Shute wrote:
>>>
>>
>> He works out six days a week. There are no other days.
>
>I also work out 6 days a week. I do cardio on 3 of those days. What's so
>complicated to understand? Doing instense cardio every day is
>counter-productive. Particularly since doing weights will up the heart rate
>anyways.
He never said his cardio was intense. And I know I can't stand going
to the gym just to do cardio. Weight training is much more fun.
And if you think weights are so good for the heart than why do cadio
at all?
Just FYI. Three hours of cardio per week isn't exactly overkill.
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Author: ShuteDate: 00:28 12-02-07
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:19:41 -0800, Sir Jackery
<roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Manco wrote:
>
>> Shute wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> He works out six days a week. There are no other days.
>>
>> I also work out 6 days a week. I do cardio on 3 of those days. What's so
>> complicated to understand? Doing instense cardio every day is
>> counter-productive. Particularly since doing weights will up the heart rate
>> anyways.
>
>Not to mention how many calories intense weight lifting burns.
That must be why weight lifters are all so skinny then right?
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Author: MancoDate: 01:39 12-02-07
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Shute wrote:
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> He never said his cardio was intense. And I know I can't stand going
> to the gym just to do cardio. Weight training is much more fun.
> And if you think weights are so good for the heart than why do cadio
> at all?
>
> Just FYI. Three hours of cardio per week isn't exactly overkill.
Oh another ant-cardio nut eh? I can't say that I totally enjoy my HIIT
sessions on the elliptical compared to weight work, but it's necessary. Just
think about the cardiovascular benefit alone for a long, happy life.
Artherosclerorsis sucks donkey balls. Also I don't understand the point of
doing LISS if you can do HIIT.
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Author: Sir JackeryDate: 01:45 12-02-07
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Manco wrote:
> Shute wrote:
>>
>> He never said his cardio was intense. And I know I can't stand going
>> to the gym just to do cardio. Weight training is much more fun.
>> And if you think weights are so good for the heart than why do cadio
>> at all?
>>
>> Just FYI. Three hours of cardio per week isn't exactly overkill.
>
> Oh another ant-cardio nut eh? I can't say that I totally enjoy my HIIT
> sessions on the elliptical compared to weight work, but it's necessary. Just
> think about the cardiovascular benefit alone for a long, happy life.
> Artherosclerorsis sucks donkey balls. Also I don't understand the point of
> doing LISS if you can do HIIT.
You could do what I did and ditch your car. Make cardio a daily necessity!
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Author: Sir JackeryDate: 01:45 12-02-07
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Shute wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:19:41 -0800, Sir Jackery
> <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Manco wrote:
>>
>>> Shute wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He works out six days a week. There are no other days.
>>>
>>> I also work out 6 days a week. I do cardio on 3 of those days. What's so
>>> complicated to understand? Doing instense cardio every day is
>>> counter-productive. Particularly since doing weights will up the heart rate
>>> anyways.
>>
>> Not to mention how many calories intense weight lifting burns.
>
> That must be why weight lifters are all so skinny then right?
Just because you are doesn't mean the rest of us are (-:
--Sir Jackery
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Author: MancoDate: 02:11 12-02-07
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Sir Jackery wrote:
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> You could do what I did and ditch your car. Make cardio a daily
> necessity!
Oh that's real practical to get rid of my means of long-distance
transportation.
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Author: Sir JackeryDate: 02:33 12-02-07
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Manco wrote:
> Sir Jackery wrote:
>>
>> You could do what I did and ditch your car. Make cardio a daily
>> necessity!
>
> Oh that's real practical to get rid of my means of long-distance
> transportation.
Well, I still _own_ my car, for when I need to drive long distances.
However I commute via bicycle. I always drive to the gym though, never
bike.
--Sir Jackery
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Author: MancoDate: 02:43 12-02-07
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Sir Jackery wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Manco wrote:
>
>> Sir Jackery wrote:
>>>
>>> You could do what I did and ditch your car. Make cardio a daily
>>> necessity!
>>
>> Oh that's real practical to get rid of my means of long-distance
>> transportation.
>
> Well, I still _own_ my car, for when I need to drive long distances.
> However I commute via bicycle. I always drive to the gym though, never
> bike.
>
>
> --Sir Jackery
I drive to the gym which is 5 minutes walk from my home, go figure.
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Author: BullyDate: 02:45 12-02-07
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In news:8NOzh.2412$H77.859@trndny08,
Manco <manco_dollars@net2blah.com> typed:
> Shute wrote:
>>>
>>
>> He works out six days a week. There are no other days.
>
> I also work out 6 days a week. I do cardio on 3 of those days. What's
> so complicated to understand? Doing instense cardio every day is
> counter-productive. Particularly since doing weights will up the
> heart rate anyways.
Why is it counter-productive?
--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
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Author: BullyDate: 02:45 12-02-07
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In news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0702111918290.20610@pc30.cs.ucdavis.edu,
Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> typed:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Manco wrote:
>
>> Shute wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> He works out six days a week. There are no other days.
>>
>> I also work out 6 days a week. I do cardio on 3 of those days.
>> What's so complicated to understand? Doing instense cardio every day
>> is counter-productive. Particularly since doing weights will up the
>> heart rate anyways.
>
> Not to mention how many calories intense weight lifting burns.
How many?
--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
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