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Author: RCEDate: 05:31 17-02-07
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Being relatively new to weight lifting as an exercise, I have a question.
When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench press, free
weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of multiple reps,
is it better to do one set of each workout then return to the first for the
second set and so forth? Or is it better to do multiple sets of the same
workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods between each set .... and then
move on to the next workout.
Hope this question makes sense.
RCE
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Author: Andrzej RosaDate: 07:27 17-02-07
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Dnia 2007-02-17 RCE napisał(a):
> Being relatively new to weight lifting as an exercise, I have a question.
>
> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench press, free
> weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of multiple reps,
> is it better to do one set of each workout then return to the first for the
> second set and so forth? Or is it better to do multiple sets of the same
> workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods between each set .... and then
> move on to the next workout.
>
> Hope this question makes sense.
First option is better. 30 seconds is too short rest. You'd be
basically doing some giant pseudo-set which would emphasize muscular
endurance, not hypertrophy.
--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
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Author: RCEDate: 08:30 17-02-07
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"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dnia 2007-02-17 RCE napisał(a):
>> Being relatively new to weight lifting as an exercise, I have a question.
>>
>> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench press,
>> free
>> weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of multiple reps,
>> is it better to do one set of each workout then return to the first for
>> the
>> second set and so forth? Or is it better to do multiple sets of the
>> same
>> workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods between each set .... and then
>> move on to the next workout.
>>
>> Hope this question makes sense.
>
> First option is better. 30 seconds is too short rest. You'd be
> basically doing some giant pseudo-set which would emphasize muscular
> endurance, not hypertrophy.
>
> --
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R
Thanks.
RCE
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Author: ShuteDate: 11:21 17-02-07
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:27:55 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dnia 2007-02-17 RCE napisa?(a):
>> Being relatively new to weight lifting as an exercise, I have a question.
>>
>> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench press, free
>> weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of multiple reps,
>> is it better to do one set of each workout then return to the first for the
>> second set and so forth? Or is it better to do multiple sets of the same
>> workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods between each set .... and then
>> move on to the next workout.
>>
>> Hope this question makes sense.
>
>First option is better. 30 seconds is too short rest. You'd be
>basically doing some giant pseudo-set which would emphasize muscular
>endurance, not hypertrophy.
Either you didn't understand the question or I didn't. Or perhaps I
don't get your answer.
The OP uses the word workout as most of use the word exercise. And I
believe he is using exercise as most of us use the word workout.
Just to clarify to the OP an exercise is each of the bench press, curl
etc. The workout is the days work.
The first method he described is a kind of circuit training. You
basically go around and do one set on all the exercises. Then go
around again if you have time. I am not sure if Andrzej meant to
agree that one was better.
I think it is better to work on one exercises at a time and rest a few
minutes in between sets. To speed things up he can do supersets which
basically pairs up two exercises together. Pairing things like chest
and back together can work very well. I occasionally pair things up
just out of convenience. Like for instance doing wrist curls in
between my bench press. If your working hard enough you still may
want a rest between the supersets or even between each of the
individual exercise sets.
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Author: RCEDate: 12:42 17-02-07
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"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> The first method he described is a kind of circuit training. You
> basically go around and do one set on all the exercises. Then go
> around again if you have time. I am not sure if Andrzej meant to
> agree that one was better.
>
My question was indeed poorly written. (Even I don't understand it, now.)
You are correct ... what I've been doing is what you described as a form of
circuit training. I do one set at each "station" and after I've been
through all stations, I go back and start over again.
I am going to try doing 3 consecutive sets at each "station" with a rest
period between each set.
I tried it last night and it seems to produce a stronger "burn" in the
affected muscle groups than the circuit routine.
Thanks.
RCE
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Author: MancoDate: 15:10 17-02-07
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Shute wrote:
> I think it is better to work on one exercises at a time and rest a few
> minutes in between sets. To speed things up he can do supersets which
> basically pairs up two exercises together. Pairing things like chest
> and back together can work very well. I occasionally pair things up
> just out of convenience. Like for instance doing wrist curls in
> between my bench press. If your working hard enough you still may
> want a rest between the supersets or even between each of the
> individual exercise sets.
I don't do supersets, but I don't think I take more then 45 seconds between
individual sets. Is that enough? The problem with waiting 2-3 minutes
between sets, is time is limited. I can't spend 2 hours in the gym every
morning.
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Author: Andrzej RosaDate: 19:29 17-02-07
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Dnia 2007-02-17 Shute napisał(a):
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:27:55 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Dnia 2007-02-17 RCE napisa?(a):
>>> Being relatively new to weight lifting as an exercise, I have a question.
>>>
>>> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench press,
free
>>> weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of multiple reps,
>>> is it better to do one set of each workout then return to the first for the
>>> second set and so forth? Or is it better to do multiple sets of the same
>>> workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods between each set .... and then
>>> move on to the next workout.
>>>
>>> Hope this question makes sense.
>>
>>First option is better. 30 seconds is too short rest. You'd be
>>basically doing some giant pseudo-set which would emphasize muscular
>>endurance, not hypertrophy.
>
> Either you didn't understand the question or I didn't. Or perhaps I
> don't get your answer.
>
> The OP uses the word workout as most of use the word exercise. And I
> believe he is using exercise as most of us use the word workout.
> Just to clarify to the OP an exercise is each of the bench press, curl
> etc. The workout is the days work.
>
> The first method he described is a kind of circuit training. You
> basically go around and do one set on all the exercises. Then go
> around again if you have time. I am not sure if Andrzej meant to
> agree that one was better.
I did.
> I think it is better to work on one exercises at a time and rest a few
> minutes in between sets.
Better from some points of view, but he signaled that he has no time
for that.
> To speed things up he can do supersets which
> basically pairs up two exercises together.
Sure. I do it all the time.
> Pairing things like chest
> and back together can work very well. I occasionally pair things up
> just out of convenience. Like for instance doing wrist curls in
> between my bench press. If your working hard enough you still may
> want a rest between the supersets or even between each of the
> individual exercise sets.
You may, but you'll not shrink if you'll do a circuit training. It's
all right.
--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
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Author: Andrzej RosaDate: 19:34 17-02-07
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Dnia 2007-02-17 Manco napisał(a):
> Shute wrote:
>> I think it is better to work on one exercises at a time and rest a few
>> minutes in between sets. To speed things up he can do supersets which
>> basically pairs up two exercises together. Pairing things like chest
>> and back together can work very well. I occasionally pair things up
>> just out of convenience. Like for instance doing wrist curls in
>> between my bench press. If your working hard enough you still may
>> want a rest between the supersets or even between each of the
>> individual exercise sets.
>
> I don't do supersets, but I don't think I take more then 45 seconds between
> individual sets. Is that enough?
Enough for what? You can reach some goals better with this protocol
and some others with other approaches. For developing muscular
endurance short rest intervals work fine, for hypertrophy it's better
to work with heavier weights, which necessitate longer rest periods.
> The problem with waiting 2-3 minutes
> between sets, is time is limited. I can't spend 2 hours in the gym every
> morning.
You shouldn't anyway. Your routine must be bad, but still you can save
time by doing supersets of circuit training. It will increase your
cardio conditioning too.
--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
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Author: Tom AndersonDate: 08:33 18-02-07
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, RCE wrote:
> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench press,
> free weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of multiple
> reps, is it better to do one set of each workout then return to the
> first for the second set and so forth? Or is it better to do multiple
> sets of the same workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods between each
> set .... and then move on to the next workout.
Firstly, 30 seconds is too short a rest; rest for two or three minutes and
you're talking.
Secondly, the multiple-sets-in-a-row approach is the traditional one, but
i don't think it's because it's more effective, it's just more convenient
- you get a weight out, use it until you're done, then put it back; you
only have to wait for some tone bunny to finish doing 20-lb pulldowns once
rather than twice etc. The different-exercises-in-a-row approach should, i
think, work just as well.
tom
--
Taking care of business
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Author: RCEDate: 09:13 18-02-07
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"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, RCE wrote:
>
>> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench press,
>> free weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of multiple
>> reps, is it better to do one set of each workout then return to the first
>> for the second set and so forth? Or is it better to do multiple sets of
>> the same workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods between each set ....
>> and then move on to the next workout.
>
> Firstly, 30 seconds is too short a rest; rest for two or three minutes and
> you're talking.
>
> Secondly, the multiple-sets-in-a-row approach is the traditional one, but
> i don't think it's because it's more effective, it's just more
> convenient - you get a weight out, use it until you're done, then put it
> back; you only have to wait for some tone bunny to finish doing 20-lb
> pulldowns once rather than twice etc. The different-exercises-in-a-row
> approach should, i think, work just as well.
>
> tom
I figured so as well. The only reason I thought about it is because after
doing the complete workout (all the exercises), I felt more overall muscle
after I tried the
same station. three set method. I guess you really can't compare them
that way.
Thanks,
RCE
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 12:42 18-02-07
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"RCE" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Being relatively new to weight lifting as an exercise, I have a
> question.
>
> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench
> press, free weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of
> multiple reps, is it better to do one set of each workout then return
> to the first for the second set and so forth? Or is it better to do
> multiple sets of the same workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods
> between each set .... and then move on to the next workout.
>
> Hope this question makes sense.
>
> RCE
Circuit training (one set of each exercise, then repeat the entire
circuit) lets you train different muscles in rapid succession rather
than waiting for the muscles used for a particular exercise to recover
in order to be ready for the next set. As such, it is more focused on
conditioning (which in this case means the ability to do a series of
heavy things in a row without rest) than on strength or gains in muscle
size. As others have already said, different rest periods and all the
other differences are appropriate for different goals. If and when you
decide to work towards a specific goal, state that goal here along with
your ideas about how best to achieve it and we can comment then.
Without specific goals, you may do what you like the best.
All that said, and all other things being equal, I would advise you to
follow the traditional route of multiple sets of an individual exercise
until you're finished before moving on to the next exercise. Lifting
weights is a skill, and you will acquire more skill (meaning your form
will be better, your chance of injury less, and so on) if you go the
traditional route. Once you feel you have mastered, at least to some
extent, the movements you wish to train, then you might consider
performing them in a circuit.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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Author: ShuteDate: 15:11 18-02-07
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:42:00 -0500, "Steve Freides"
<steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>"RCE" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:lcydnSLx2K0HREvYnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Being relatively new to weight lifting as an exercise, I have a
>> question.
>>
>> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench
>> press, free weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists of
>> multiple reps, is it better to do one set of each workout then return
>> to the first for the second set and so forth? Or is it better to do
>> multiple sets of the same workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods
>> between each set .... and then move on to the next workout.
>>
>> Hope this question makes sense.
>>
>> RCE
>
>Circuit training (one set of each exercise, then repeat the entire
>circuit) lets you train different muscles in rapid succession rather
>than waiting for the muscles used for a particular exercise to recover
>in order to be ready for the next set. As such, it is more focused on
>conditioning (which in this case means the ability to do a series of
>heavy things in a row without rest) than on strength or gains in muscle
>size. As others have already said, different rest periods and all the
>other differences are appropriate for different goals. If and when you
>decide to work towards a specific goal, state that goal here along with
>your ideas about how best to achieve it and we can comment then.
>Without specific goals, you may do what you like the best.
>
>All that said, and all other things being equal, I would advise you to
>follow the traditional route of multiple sets of an individual exercise
>until you're finished before moving on to the next exercise. Lifting
>weights is a skill, and you will acquire more skill (meaning your form
>will be better, your chance of injury less, and so on) if you go the
>traditional route. Once you feel you have mastered, at least to some
>extent, the movements you wish to train, then you might consider
>performing them in a circuit.
This was my understanding of it. I was surprised to find so many
others disagree.
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 15:42 18-02-07
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"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:42:00 -0500, "Steve Freides"
> <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>>"RCE" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:lcydnSLx2K0HREvYnZ2dnUVZ_smonZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Being relatively new to weight lifting as an exercise, I have a
>>> question.
>>>
>>> When a routine consists of sets of various workouts (i.e. bench
>>> press, free weight curl, triceps pull, etc.) and each set consists
>>> of
>>> multiple reps, is it better to do one set of each workout then
>>> return
>>> to the first for the second set and so forth? Or is it better to
>>> do
>>> multiple sets of the same workout with brief, (30 sec) rest periods
>>> between each set .... and then move on to the next workout.
>>>
>>> Hope this question makes sense.
>>>
>>> RCE
>>
>>Circuit training (one set of each exercise, then repeat the entire
>>circuit) lets you train different muscles in rapid succession rather
>>than waiting for the muscles used for a particular exercise to recover
>>in order to be ready for the next set. As such, it is more focused on
>>conditioning (which in this case means the ability to do a series of
>>heavy things in a row without rest) than on strength or gains in
>>muscle
>>size. As others have already said, different rest periods and all the
>>other differences are appropriate for different goals. If and when
>>you
>>decide to work towards a specific goal, state that goal here along
>>with
>>your ideas about how best to achieve it and we can comment then.
>>Without specific goals, you may do what you like the best.
>>
>>All that said, and all other things being equal, I would advise you to
>>follow the traditional route of multiple sets of an individual
>>exercise
>>until you're finished before moving on to the next exercise. Lifting
>>weights is a skill, and you will acquire more skill (meaning your form
>>will be better, your chance of injury less, and so on) if you go the
>>traditional route. Once you feel you have mastered, at least to some
>>extent, the movements you wish to train, then you might consider
>>performing them in a circuit.
>
> This was my understanding of it. I was surprised to find so many
> others disagree.
I didn't notice that anyone had said something in opposition to the
ideas I expressed above. Both approaches have been around forever, each
serves a purpose. Perhaps what clouds the discussion is which is a
better purpose/goal, not which is a better route to one end or the
other.
I'm off to deadlift ...
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:42:00 -0500, "Steve Freides"
<steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>Circuit training (one set of each exercise, then repeat the entire
>circuit) lets you train different muscles in rapid succession rather
>than waiting for the muscles used for a particular exercise to recover
>in order to be ready for the next set. As such, it is more focused on
>conditioning (which in this case means the ability to do a series of
>heavy things in a row without rest) than on strength or gains in muscle
>size. As others have already said, different rest periods and all the
>other differences are appropriate for different goals. If and when you
>decide to work towards a specific goal, state that goal here along with
>your ideas about how best to achieve it and we can comment then.
>Without specific goals, you may do what you like the best.
>
>All that said, and all other things being equal, I would advise you to
>follow the traditional route of multiple sets of an individual exercise
>until you're finished before moving on to the next exercise. Lifting
>weights is a skill, and you will acquire more skill (meaning your form
>will be better, your chance of injury less, and so on) if you go the
>traditional route. Once you feel you have mastered, at least to some
>extent, the movements you wish to train, then you might consider
>performing them in a circuit.
>
>-S-
>http://www.kbnj.com
Why can't interval or slow circuit training be used by PLers? Why not
rest for a couple of minutes between each set and separate squats and
dls with benches as in SQ-BP-DL-BP-SQ-BP?
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Author: williamhDate: 02:15 20-02-07
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On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll...@net2blah.com> wrote:
> Shute wrote:
> > I think it is better to work on one exercises at a time and rest a few
> > minutes in between sets. To speed things up he can do supersets which
> > basically pairs up two exercises together. Pairing things like chest
> > and back together can work very well. I occasionally pair things up
> > just out of convenience. Like for instance doing wrist curls in
> > between my bench press. If your working hard enough you still may
> > want a rest between the supersets or even between each of the
> > individual exercise sets.
>
> I don't do supersets, but I don't think I take more then 45 seconds between
> individual sets. Is that enough? The problem with waiting 2-3 minutes
> between sets, is time is limited. I can't spend 2 hours in the gym every
> morning.
You could split up your workouts Try chest ,shoulders and triceps on
Monday and Thurs. Then do Back Biceps and legs Tues. and fridays .Wed.
would be a rest day or abs Weekends go for a run or abs.Do 3 excers.
per body part eg. chest do press then Flys then maybe pullovers
shoulders do press then maybe side laterals or shrugs or work with the
cables .Grab a
Muscle and Fitness mag. and have a look - good luck
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