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I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted two
arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
strapped on.
However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I can
manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly less
controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these negatives
my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong arm
for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am wary
of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
strengthening the elbow tendons.
Thanks
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Author: RanieriDate: 11:34 20-02-06
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<doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted two
> arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
> strapped on.
>
> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I can
> manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly less
> controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these negatives
> my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
> training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong arm
> for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am wary
> of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
> strengthening the elbow tendons.
>
Can't help with your question, but I do have an observation: the one armed
chin is a goal that a lot of people set, but I've yet to hear of a single
person that has accomplished it. Everyone has a story of a rock climber that
can do multiple reps, but never have I heard of a regular gym denizen
diligently training his or her way there.
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Author: JRHDate: 12:25 20-02-06
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:34:43 -0600, "Ranieri" <nah> wrote:
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><doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:1140440147.891345.239620@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
>> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted two
>> arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
>> strapped on.
>>
>> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
>> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I can
>> manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly less
>> controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these negatives
>> my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
>> training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong arm
>> for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am wary
>> of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
>> strengthening the elbow tendons.
>>
>
>Can't help with your question, but I do have an observation: the one armed
>chin is a goal that a lot of people set, but I've yet to hear of a single
>person that has accomplished it. Everyone has a story of a rock climber that
>can do multiple reps, but never have I heard of a regular gym denizen
>diligently training his or her way there.
>
Elzi Volk claimed in this Group to have done a set of three; I called
her a lying bitch; she was unable to prove her vain boast, and even
her beau at the time, a regular here, opted not to protect or support
her!
They are incredibly difficult!
http://www.beastskills.com/OneArmPull.htm
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Yes, a genuine one arm chin from a dead hang is very difficult. A lot
of people who claim they can do them are probably bullshitting or
cheating.
At present, I can pull myself up only about 3 inches with one arm.
That's sounds like nothing but it's a start. It helps that my BW is
only about 70 kg. I have not trained for a 1 armer before so it will
take time. I may not achieve one but even if I don't I expect the
training will improve my weighted 2 armers.
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Author: RanieriDate: 13:02 20-02-06
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<doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Yes, a genuine one arm chin from a dead hang is very difficult. A lot
> of people who claim they can do them are probably bullshitting or
> cheating.
>
> At present, I can pull myself up only about 3 inches with one arm.
> That's sounds like nothing but it's a start. It helps that my BW is
> only about 70 kg. I have not trained for a 1 armer before so it will
> take time. I may not achieve one but even if I don't I expect the
> training will improve my weighted 2 armers.
>
"If you manage to do this I will gladly eat a shit sandwich."
-George UK in response to Krista's quest for the 1 armed pullup
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:02:50 -0600, "Ranieri" <nah> wrote:
>"If you manage to do this I will gladly eat a shit sandwich."
Which would differ from your regular diet in what way?
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Author: Paul CasselDate: 13:40 20-02-06
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Ranieri wrote:
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>
> Can't help with your question, but I do have an observation: the one armed
> chin is a goal that a lot of people set, but I've yet to hear of a single
> person that has accomplished it. Everyone has a story of a rock climber that
> can do multiple reps, but never have I heard of a regular gym denizen
> diligently training his or her way there.
>
>
IIRC, Steve here does them. I've done one where
the lazy hand grabs the wrist of the strong hand, but that's my best
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Author: RanieriDate: 13:40 20-02-06
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"Paul Cassel" <pcasselremove2@comremovecast.net> wrote in message
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> Ranieri wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Can't help with your question, but I do have an observation: the one
>> armed chin is a goal that a lot of people set, but I've yet to hear of a
>> single person that has accomplished it. Everyone has a story of a rock
>> climber that can do multiple reps, but never have I heard of a regular
>> gym denizen diligently training his or her way there.
>>
>>
>
> IIRC, Steve here does them. I've done one where
>
> the lazy hand grabs the wrist of the strong hand, but that's my best
I think Steve is on a quest...I don't believe he's done any.
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 14:18 20-02-06
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"Ranieri" <nah> wrote in message
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> "Paul Cassel" <pcasselremove2@comremovecast.net> wrote in message
> news:cb-dnbSBqqk7kWfenZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Ranieri wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can't help with your question, but I do have an observation: the one
>>> armed chin is a goal that a lot of people set, but I've yet to hear
>>> of a single person that has accomplished it. Everyone has a story of
>>> a rock climber that can do multiple reps, but never have I heard of
>>> a regular gym denizen diligently training his or her way there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> IIRC, Steve here does them. I've done one where
>>
>> the lazy hand grabs the wrist of the strong hand, but that's my best
>
> I think Steve is on a quest...I don't believe he's done any.
I haven't done one. I've worked on them in the past but gave up. At my
level on these, it would take a _lot_ of work. The one hand on the
wrist kind is actually pretty easy, IMHO. Try holding on lower and
lower - that's one way to work up to a OAP.
To the OP: For a starter, you need to be able to two-hand pullup
yourself plus your bodyweight on a belt before you'll stand a chance at
a one-armed pullup, IMHO, and I can't do that, either. There are a
number of articles about doing this on the DragonDoor site. Try this
link:
http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode2/Workouts&kbid=1022
and look at the articles on one-armed pullups. The basic approach I
used was from here, working one hand plus a few fingers of the second
hand. I got to the point where I could manage a rep or two with one
hand plus only the pinkie finger of the other but that's as far as I
got. The article suggests working these "mountain climber" style, one
hand over, one hand under so that you're sideways to the bar, since that
seems to be where most people end up without the other hand to keep them
facing the bar.
Last but not least, you have to ask yourself how much "functionality"
there is to this movement if you're not a rock climber. I feel like
one-legged work helps my deadlift and squat, but I don't feel like
getting a OAP is going to do much for me. I'd much rather, e.g., work
on a freestanding, two-handed handstand and learn to do hand walking.
Don't ask me why, because I don't think that is terribly "functional"
either, but it interests me more.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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Author: Joe HumbleDate: 17:14 20-02-06
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On 20 Feb 2006 04:55:47 -0800, doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
>fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted two
>arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
>strapped on.
>
>However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
>training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I can
>manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly less
>controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these negatives
>my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
>training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong arm
>for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am wary
>of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
>strengthening the elbow tendons.
>
>Thanks
This is one of those things where a genetic predisposition goes a long
way and grit/determination don't go all that far at all.
--
Is this thing on?
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 17:22 20-02-06
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<doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1140440147.891345.239620@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted
> two
> arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
> strapped on.
>
> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I
> can
> manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly
> less
> controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these negatives
> my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
> training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong
> arm
> for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am wary
> of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
> strengthening the elbow tendons.
Two- and one-armed bar hangs for time. Focus on keeping the elbows and
shoulders tight. BTW, if you're getting a full-range controlled
negative, you're doing better than I ever did despite having about the
same bodyweight and same two-armed weighted pullup max as me. I used to
drop at the very bottom. Top part of range of motion was difficult,
middle was relatively easy, bottom was near impossible.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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Author: Chris MalcolmDate: 06:35 23-02-06
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Ranieri <nah> wrote:
> Can't help with your question, but I do have an observation: the one armed
> chin is a goal that a lot of people set, but I've yet to hear of a single
> person that has accomplished it. Everyone has a story of a rock climber that
> can do multiple reps, but never have I heard of a regular gym denizen
> diligently training his or her way there.
The famous Scottish rock climber Robin Smith once chose me to
demonstrate his party trick because at 120 pounds I was the lightest
guy in the room. His party trick was to hold me round the waist with
one arm, and do a pull up with the other. No idea if he trained, but
he was built like an orang utan.
When I was 20, and training a few times a week on a specific climb in
a local quarry which involved one very nasty strenuous move which was
close to a one armed pull up with the right arm, I ended up being able
to do a one one-armed pull up with that arm. Not a chin, all I could
do was lift from a straight hand to a fully bent arm. I suppose you
could have called it a nose rather than a chin.
A brief biog of Robin Smith:
http://heritage.scotsman.com/greatscots.cfm?id=2256322005
The local Edinburgh quarry on which I trained, South Quarry in
Salisbury Crags, was also used by Robin Smith and Dougal Haston, and
is still much used by climbers today. I was never a good climber, more
of a good scrambler. I've met a couple of other climbers who could do
a single one arm pullup on their strong arm. I've never met someone
who trained in a gym who could do it and generally speaking gym muscle
men tend to be very sceptical about one arm pullups. I think the
reason is that rock climbers care a lot about body weight and are
generally on the thin scrawny side, whereas folk who train in gyms
usually go for weight lifting and muscle bulk and are a lot heavier.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
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Author: Chris MalcolmDate: 07:08 23-02-06
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doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted two
> arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
> strapped on.
> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I can
> manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly less
> controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these negatives
> my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
> training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong arm
> for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am wary
> of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
> strengthening the elbow tendons.
If my experience is any guide watch the elbow tendon soreness very
carefully. At the age of twenty, when I spent lots of time doing
strenuous rock climbing nearly every day for fun because I lived a few
hundred yards from a cliff, I became able to do a one arm pullup.
At the age of 62, after decades of no exercise, I decided to see if I
could work my way up to doing it again. In a few months I moved from
only being able to hang twitching from a pullup bar to being able to
do one pullup. At about 4 pullups I started developing the kind
of elbow tendon soreness you describe. At 6 pullups it lasted for days
rather than hours and I was getting very excited by how fast my
strength was developing. I was adding a pullup to my max reps about
every fortnight. I regarded the soreness as simply a good sign that I
had strained things enough to boost strength growth.
At 8 pullups the tendon soreness just didn't go away, and I discovered
I had injured my tendons and was going to have to take a break. A year
later they're a lot better but still haven't recovered. In my weakest
arm they still hurt slightly, all the time.
My guess is that after decades of driving a desk for a living my
tendons had dropped down in strength to match my reduced arm power,
and that muscles can be grown in strength much faster than tendons.
I'd be very interested in a method of strengthening tendons too. I
note that bones grow in strength particularly when when subjected to
impact shocks, such as in pounding the pavement or chopping wood.
That gives them better growth signals than simple muscular loading as
in weight lifting. I haven't been able to find out what best helps
strengthen tendons.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 09:42 23-02-06
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"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>> I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
>> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted
>> two
>> arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
>> strapped on.
>
>> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
>> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I
>> can
>> manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly
>> less
>> controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these
>> negatives
>> my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
>> training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong
>> arm
>> for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am
>> wary
>> of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
>> strengthening the elbow tendons.
>
> If my experience is any guide watch the elbow tendon soreness very
> carefully. At the age of twenty, when I spent lots of time doing
> strenuous rock climbing nearly every day for fun because I lived a few
> hundred yards from a cliff, I became able to do a one arm pullup.
>
> At the age of 62, after decades of no exercise, I decided to see if I
> could work my way up to doing it again. In a few months I moved from
> only being able to hang twitching from a pullup bar to being able to
> do one pullup. At about 4 pullups I started developing the kind
> of elbow tendon soreness you describe. At 6 pullups it lasted for days
> rather than hours and I was getting very excited by how fast my
> strength was developing. I was adding a pullup to my max reps about
> every fortnight. I regarded the soreness as simply a good sign that I
> had strained things enough to boost strength growth.
>
> At 8 pullups the tendon soreness just didn't go away, and I discovered
> I had injured my tendons and was going to have to take a break. A year
> later they're a lot better but still haven't recovered. In my weakest
> arm they still hurt slightly, all the time.
>
> My guess is that after decades of driving a desk for a living my
> tendons had dropped down in strength to match my reduced arm power,
> and that muscles can be grown in strength much faster than tendons.
>
> I'd be very interested in a method of strengthening tendons too. I
> note that bones grow in strength particularly when when subjected to
> impact shocks, such as in pounding the pavement or chopping wood.
> That gives them better growth signals than simple muscular loading as
> in weight lifting. I haven't been able to find out what best helps
> strengthen tendons.
Chris, what I've read suggests that short, brief shocks tend to
strengthen and thicken connective tissue. I have a bad back and
swinging a kettlebell has been a tremendous help to the connective
tissue in my back - my program combines more traditional weight lifting
with what we call kettlebell ballistics, which besides the swing include
several "poor man's versions" of Olympic lifts like the snatch and
jerk.. I suggest you do a bit of investigating - kettlebell swinging
also puts a strain on the elbow tendons and, frankly, on much of the
rest of the body, but it is with a relatively light weight and it might
be what you're looking for.
Head over to http://forum.dragondoor.com and ask there.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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I'm continuing on with the training and seem to be getting less elbow
soreness after each session. But I must stress that I'm doing ultra low
volume training for this. I can do one controlled negative with my
right arm but if I try to do a second even after a few minutes rest it
is much less controlled, especially at the top and bottom. The worst
part about the negatives is working up the "courage" to let go with the
supporting hand and start dropping. I fear not being able to control
the drop and injuring myself. I cannot do an isometric hold at the top
- once I let go with the supporting hand the best I can do is drop
under control. It takes a lot of concentration and effort and tensing
of most of the muscles of the upper body to get this control.
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Author: allbpenDate: 14:32 24-02-06
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Author: Hugh BeyerDate: 13:24 25-02-06
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Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in news:465muhF9ceh0U1
@individual.net:
> doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>> I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
>> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted two
>> arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
>> strapped on.
>
>> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
>> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I can
>> manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly less
>> controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these negatives
>> my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
>> training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong arm
>> for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am wary
>> of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
>> strengthening the elbow tendons.
>
> If my experience is any guide watch the elbow tendon soreness very
> carefully. At the age of twenty, when I spent lots of time doing
> strenuous rock climbing nearly every day for fun because I lived a few
> hundred yards from a cliff, I became able to do a one arm pullup.
>
> At the age of 62, after decades of no exercise, I decided to see if I
> could work my way up to doing it again. In a few months I moved from
> only being able to hang twitching from a pullup bar to being able to
> do one pullup. At about 4 pullups I started developing the kind
> of elbow tendon soreness you describe. At 6 pullups it lasted for days
> rather than hours and I was getting very excited by how fast my
> strength was developing. I was adding a pullup to my max reps about
> every fortnight. I regarded the soreness as simply a good sign that I
> had strained things enough to boost strength growth.
>
> At 8 pullups the tendon soreness just didn't go away, and I discovered
> I had injured my tendons and was going to have to take a break. A year
> later they're a lot better but still haven't recovered. In my weakest
> arm they still hurt slightly, all the time.
>
> My guess is that after decades of driving a desk for a living my
> tendons had dropped down in strength to match my reduced arm power,
> and that muscles can be grown in strength much faster than tendons.
>
> I'd be very interested in a method of strengthening tendons too. I
> note that bones grow in strength particularly when when subjected to
> impact shocks, such as in pounding the pavement or chopping wood.
> That gives them better growth signals than simple muscular loading as
> in weight lifting. I haven't been able to find out what best helps
> strengthen tendons.
>
Interesting... I had bad elbow tendinitis for quite a while, which I
blamed on DB swings with poor form, but I was also doing weighted chins at
the time. The tendinitis didn't go away until I gave up doing chins--maybe
they were the culprit.
Hugh
--
Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi")
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Author: JMWDate: 14:18 25-02-06
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Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy@acm.org> wrote:
>Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
>>> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted two
>>> arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3 bodyweight
>>> strapped on.
>>
>>> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
>>> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I can
>>> manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a slightly less
>>> controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of these negatives
>>> my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for about an hour after
>>> training. I seem to be getting slightly worse soreness in my strong arm
>>> for some reason. Is this something to worry about or normal. I am wary
>>> of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has anyone any tips for
>>> strengthening the elbow tendons.
>>
>> If my experience is any guide watch the elbow tendon soreness very
>> carefully. At the age of twenty, when I spent lots of time doing
>> strenuous rock climbing nearly every day for fun because I lived a few
>> hundred yards from a cliff, I became able to do a one arm pullup.
>>
>> At the age of 62, after decades of no exercise, I decided to see if I
>> could work my way up to doing it again. In a few months I moved from
>> only being able to hang twitching from a pullup bar to being able to
>> do one pullup. At about 4 pullups I started developing the kind
>> of elbow tendon soreness you describe. At 6 pullups it lasted for days
>> rather than hours and I was getting very excited by how fast my
>> strength was developing. I was adding a pullup to my max reps about
>> every fortnight. I regarded the soreness as simply a good sign that I
>> had strained things enough to boost strength growth.
>>
>> At 8 pullups the tendon soreness just didn't go away, and I discovered
>> I had injured my tendons and was going to have to take a break. A year
>> later they're a lot better but still haven't recovered. In my weakest
>> arm they still hurt slightly, all the time.
>>
>> My guess is that after decades of driving a desk for a living my
>> tendons had dropped down in strength to match my reduced arm power,
>> and that muscles can be grown in strength much faster than tendons.
>>
>> I'd be very interested in a method of strengthening tendons too. I
>> note that bones grow in strength particularly when when subjected to
>> impact shocks, such as in pounding the pavement or chopping wood.
>> That gives them better growth signals than simple muscular loading as
>> in weight lifting. I haven't been able to find out what best helps
>> strengthen tendons.
>>
>
>Interesting... I had bad elbow tendinitis for quite a while, which I
>blamed on DB swings with poor form, but I was also doing weighted chins at
>the time. The tendinitis didn't go away until I gave up doing chins--maybe
>they were the culprit.
Try using straps/hooks for grip assistance. I think you'll find out
that makes a difference.
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Author: Hugh BeyerDate: 18:42 25-02-06
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JMW <jmw@event.horizon> wrote in
news:d5b102ttu8l4v4dicskv7r7rclkupkut0u@4ax.com:
> Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
>>>> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted
>>>> two arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3
>>>> bodyweight strapped on.
>>>
>>>> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
>>>> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I
>>>> can manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a
>>>> slightly less controlled one with my left. After doing one or two of
>>>> these negatives my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for
>>>> about an hour after training. I seem to be getting slightly worse
>>>> soreness in my strong arm for some reason. Is this something to worry
>>>> about or normal. I am wary of developing elbow tendonitis. Also, has
>>>> anyone any tips for strengthening the elbow tendons.
>>>
>>> If my experience is any guide watch the elbow tendon soreness very
>>> carefully. At the age of twenty, when I spent lots of time doing
>>> strenuous rock climbing nearly every day for fun because I lived a few
>>> hundred yards from a cliff, I became able to do a one arm pullup.
>>>
>>> At the age of 62, after decades of no exercise, I decided to see if I
>>> could work my way up to doing it again. In a few months I moved from
>>> only being able to hang twitching from a pullup bar to being able to
>>> do one pullup. At about 4 pullups I started developing the kind
>>> of elbow tendon soreness you describe. At 6 pullups it lasted for days
>>> rather than hours and I was getting very excited by how fast my
>>> strength was developing. I was adding a pullup to my max reps about
>>> every fortnight. I regarded the soreness as simply a good sign that I
>>> had strained things enough to boost strength growth.
>>>
>>> At 8 pullups the tendon soreness just didn't go away, and I discovered
>>> I had injured my tendons and was going to have to take a break. A year
>>> later they're a lot better but still haven't recovered. In my weakest
>>> arm they still hurt slightly, all the time.
>>>
>>> My guess is that after decades of driving a desk for a living my
>>> tendons had dropped down in strength to match my reduced arm power,
>>> and that muscles can be grown in strength much faster than tendons.
>>>
>>> I'd be very interested in a method of strengthening tendons too. I
>>> note that bones grow in strength particularly when when subjected to
>>> impact shocks, such as in pounding the pavement or chopping wood.
>>> That gives them better growth signals than simple muscular loading as
>>> in weight lifting. I haven't been able to find out what best helps
>>> strengthen tendons.
>>>
>>
>>Interesting... I had bad elbow tendinitis for quite a while, which I
>>blamed on DB swings with poor form, but I was also doing weighted chins
>>at the time. The tendinitis didn't go away until I gave up doing
>>chins--maybe they were the culprit.
>
> Try using straps/hooks for grip assistance. I think you'll find out
> that makes a difference.
>
What confused me is that I could never tell what was bothering the elbow
in the gym... it wasn't till later that I realized it was messed up. Grip
strength never felt like a problem.
Hugh
--
Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi")
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Author: JMWDate: 19:06 25-02-06
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Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy@acm.org> wrote:
>JMW <jmw@event.horizon> wrote:
>
>> Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy@acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> doyleb3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have just started training for a 1 arm chin up. I think I have a
>>>>> fairly good base to start this training as I've been doing weighted
>>>>> two arm chin ups for a while and can do 1 rep with around 2/3
>>>>> bodyweight strapped on.
>>>>
>>>>> However I am nowhere near doing a 1 armer at the moment. So the
>>>>> training I'm doing consists of controlled negatives with one arm. I
>>>>> can manage a slow controlled negative with my right arm and a
>>>>> slightly less controlled one with my left. After doing one or two
of
>>>>> these negatives my elbow tendons are a bit sore and remain so for
>>>>> about an hour after training. I seem to be getting slightly worse
>>>>> soreness in my strong arm for some reason. Is this something to
worry
>>>>> about or normal. I am wary of developing elbow tendonitis. Also,
has
>>>>> anyone any tips for strengthening the elbow tendons.
>>>>
>>>> If my experience is any guide watch the elbow tendon soreness very
>>>> carefully. At the age of twenty, when I spent lots of time doing
>>>> strenuous rock climbing nearly every day for fun because I lived a few
>>>> hundred yards from a cliff, I became able to do a one arm pullup.
>>>>
>>>> At the age of 62, after decades of no exercise, I decided to see if I
>>>> could work my way up to doing it again. In a few months I moved from
>>>> only being able to hang twitching from a pullup bar to being able to
>>>> do one pullup. At about 4 pullups I started developing the kind
>>>> of elbow tendon soreness you describe. At 6 pullups it lasted for days
>>>> rather than hours and I was getting very excited by how fast my
>>>> strength was developing. I was adding a pullup to my max reps about
>>>> every fortnight. I regarded the soreness as simply a good sign that I
>>>> had strained things enough to boost strength growth.
>>>>
>>>> At 8 pullups the tendon soreness just didn't go away, and I discovered
>>>> I had injured my tendons and was going to have to take a break. A year
>>>> later they're a lot better but still haven't recovered. In my weakest
>>>> arm they still hurt slightly, all the time.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that after decades of driving a desk for a living my
>>>> tendons had dropped down in strength to match my reduced arm power,
>>>> and that muscles can be grown in strength much faster than tendons.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be very interested in a method of strengthening tendons too. I
>>>> note that bones grow in strength particularly when when subjected to
>>>> impact shocks, such as in pounding the pavement or chopping wood.
>>>> That gives them better growth signals than simple muscular loading as
>>>> in weight lifting. I haven't been able to find out what best helps
>>>> strengthen tendons.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Interesting... I had bad elbow tendinitis for quite a while, which I
>>>blamed on DB swings with poor form, but I was also doing weighted chins
>>>at the time. The tendinitis didn't go away until I gave up doing
>>>chins--maybe they were the culprit.
>>
>> Try using straps/hooks for grip assistance. I think you'll find out
>> that makes a difference.
>
>What confused me is that I could never tell what was bothering the elbow
>in the gym... it wasn't till later that I realized it was messed up. Grip
>strength never felt like a problem.
Grip strength isn't really the issue.
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