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misc.fitness.weights -> Re: Kettlebell Class in Ridgewood, NJ, next week
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:58:30 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
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><damifino@oldman.org> wrote in message
>news:h9gr02d782ep88c76u4g0hffuon67m4th1@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 00:25:35 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>IMO the only movements suited to the KB are those involving ballistic
>>>movements - even if you wanted to use them interchangeably with dumbells
>>>you
>>>are at a disadvantage when it comes to incrementation - for instance with
>>>dumbells if you are working with 50# and wanted to increment you could go
>>>to
>>>52# - with kb's it is impossible to increment sensibly as even if you had
>>>a
>>>full set of kb's the gaps are too high to the next heavier kb in.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's true that with solid KBs, the incrementation gradients don't
>> equal what you can achieve with adjustable DBs. That's one reason why
>> I own KBs and adjustable DBs (from fractionalplates.com).
>>
>> You can purchase plate-loaded KB handles. I wouldn't.
>>
>> Or you can buy shot-loaded KBs for incrementation purposes. I don't
>> own these. You can ask Steve what's involved in changing the weight.
>>
>> As I mentioned before, there are a variety of KB sizes and there are a
>> number of ways to use these sizes to make small, progressive
>> improvements with respect to strength and cardiovascular fitness.
>> Steve posted a couple of Kettlebell articles at DragonDoor.com with
>> respect to increasing the KB military press before DD introduced the
>> "in-between" sizes. If you're seriously interested in asking how one
>> can make small, gradual, progressive improvements with respect to
>> strength or cardiovascular fitness using KBs, ask Steve.
>>
>> DragonDoor KBs come in 9, 13, 18, 26, 35, 44, 53, 62, 70, 88, and 106
>> pound sizes.
>>
>> MaxKettlebells come in 35, 50, 65, 80, 95, 115, 130, and 145 pound
>> sizes.
>>
>> There's no doubt that KBs are great for ballistics. Check out
>> http://www.russiankettlebells.com/kb_dominates.html?l=6435697 to see
>> why this is the case. (Smile when you read the cheesy, macho ad copy,
>> but reserve your conclusions as to whether these claims are valid or
>> pure hype until you spend some time doing KB exercises.)
>>
>> Not all KB exercises involve ballistics; many of them are categorized
>> as grinds. Do pulls and presses with KBs vs DBs and you'll soon
>> discover why there is a distinct difference when you're gripping a
>> thick handle removed from a circular, compact center of mass.
>> There's an extended range of motion and an additional stabilization
>> effort that's required.
>>
>> I own a BB, DBs, and KBs. When I get psyched up
>> to train, I'm glad I have all of these things
>
>Thanks for the info - I think I am finally inspired to try them. Who knows
>may end up selling them here (ok ok I'll pay you guys a commission!).
Of course, no one believes that you're planning to try KBs.
However, if there are other Aussies here who want to give these things
a go, here's a link for two KB instructors in Oz -
http://www.dragondoor.com/cgi-bin/instructor.pl#Australia
George Hynec - Russian Kettlebell Instructor
MA TRAINING
7 Hawthorn Place
CHERRYBROOK NSW 2126
SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA
Telephone: (02) 9484 0216
Mobile: 0416 1986 11
Email: info@matraining.com.au
Don Stevenson - Russian Kettlebell Instructor
Sydney, NSW
Australia
Phone: +61 0416 075 265
Email: fitness@octogen.com.au
http://www.octogen.com.au/kettlebells.htm
And before you start selling KBs anywhere, make sure you know how to
use them. I suggest becoming a Certified Russian Kettlebell Challenge
Instructor. Think that's easy to do?
On top of that, make sure you don't sell things you think are junk.
You don't want to become the kind of fitness equipment salesman
Jason (and everyone else) despises.
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Author: Jason EarlDate: 20:29 07-03-06
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damifino@oldman.org writes:
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:58:30 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
<snip>
>>Thanks for the info - I think I am finally inspired to try them. Who
>>knows may end up selling them here (ok ok I'll pay you guys a
>>commission!).
>
> Of course, no one believes that you're planning to try KBs.
Hey, I believe...
> However, if there are other Aussies here who want to give these
> things a go, here's a link for two KB instructors in Oz -
> http://www.dragondoor.com/cgi-bin/instructor.pl#Australia
>
Is "expert instruction" really necessary. I mean, seriously, I am
planning on getting some instruction in the Olympic lifts, but the
kettlebell movements look pretty straightforward. Not to mention the
fact that one pood (love that name) isn't really all that heavy. I
could see getting a book, or perhaps attending a short class (too bad
Steve lives on the other side of the continent), but I would do so
more to get ideas as to how to structure my workout, not how to swing
a kettlebell.
> And before you start selling KBs anywhere, make sure you know how to
> use them. I suggest becoming a Certified Russian Kettlebell Challenge
> Instructor. Think that's easy to do?
Let's not get carried away here. Steve seems like a pretty sharp guy,
and he's a certified KB instructor, so there's probably *something* to
the certification, but you can't hardly expect all of us to drink that
deeply of the KB coolaid.
> On top of that, make sure you don't sell things you think are junk.
> You don't want to become the kind of fitness equipment salesman
> Jason (and everyone else) despises.
I don't expect fitness equipment dealers to be certified KB
instructors any more than I expect them to be certified Nautilus
trainers or acolytes of the holy order of Weider. A certified KB
trainer is going to try and push KBs at me, and that might not fit my
goals. I will admit that a salesman that knows how to use KBs and has
an informed opinion about whether they are useful would certainly be a
huge bonus, especially if I was thinking about purchasing KBs.
Jason
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Author: Steve FreidesDate: 21:53 07-03-06
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"Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:87k6b5iuzx.fsf@workhorse.earlhome...
> damifino@oldman.org writes:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:58:30 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>Thanks for the info - I think I am finally inspired to try them. Who
>>>knows may end up selling them here (ok ok I'll pay you guys a
>>>commission!).
>>
>> Of course, no one believes that you're planning to try KBs.
>
> Hey, I believe...
>
>> However, if there are other Aussies here who want to give these
>> things a go, here's a link for two KB instructors in Oz -
>> http://www.dragondoor.com/cgi-bin/instructor.pl#Australia
>>
>
> Is "expert instruction" really necessary. I mean, seriously, I am
> planning on getting some instruction in the Olympic lifts, but the
> kettlebell movements look pretty straightforward. Not to mention the
> fact that one pood (love that name) isn't really all that heavy. I
> could see getting a book, or perhaps attending a short class (too bad
> Steve lives on the other side of the continent), but I would do so
> more to get ideas as to how to structure my workout, not how to swing
> a kettlebell.
>
>> And before you start selling KBs anywhere, make sure you know how to
>> use them. I suggest becoming a Certified Russian Kettlebell
>> Challenge
>> Instructor. Think that's easy to do?
>
> Let's not get carried away here. Steve seems like a pretty sharp guy,
> and he's a certified KB instructor, so there's probably *something* to
> the certification, but you can't hardly expect all of us to drink that
> deeply of the KB coolaid.
Everyone's different. I learned on my own from videos and books and
asking questions, then went to the instructor certification where I
don't think they changed much about what I did but they did teach me how
to teach the stuff. OTOH, I just taught the first class about which
this thread was started, and one guy there has had the book and video
for a couple of weeks, and some background in lifting - did it when he
was younger - and he commented several times how much better he felt
after some personal instruction. I notice people with martial arts
experience seem to get it right away even if they haven't lifted before,
for what that's worth.
There is a particular style of doing all this Pavel teaches, and it's
not your usual gym fare, so in that sense I think at least the basic RKC
video makes a good companion to a first kettlebell for anyone getting
started. The wrinkles due to the size/shape of the weight are the
details that make a difference, e.g., when you military press a kb, you
push it slightly away from you as you raise it because the weight is on
the outside of your arm. If you don't know to do that, you'll still
certainly get some sort of weight overhead, but knowing that helps you
make progress faster. And so it goes with the snatch, which is
significantly different from snatching a dumbbell, etc.
Just my opinion.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
>> On top of that, make sure you don't sell things you think are junk.
>> You don't want to become the kind of fitness equipment salesman
>> Jason (and everyone else) despises.
>
> I don't expect fitness equipment dealers to be certified KB
> instructors any more than I expect them to be certified Nautilus
> trainers or acolytes of the holy order of Weider. A certified KB
> trainer is going to try and push KBs at me, and that might not fit my
> goals. I will admit that a salesman that knows how to use KBs and has
> an informed opinion about whether they are useful would certainly be a
> huge bonus, especially if I was thinking about purchasing KBs.
>
> Jason
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Author: Jason EarlDate: 23:52 07-03-06
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"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:
> "Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
<snip>
>> Is "expert instruction" really necessary. I mean, seriously, I am
>> planning on getting some instruction in the Olympic lifts, but the
>> kettlebell movements look pretty straightforward. Not to mention
>> the fact that one pood (love that name) isn't really all that
>> heavy. I could see getting a book, or perhaps attending a short
>> class (too bad Steve lives on the other side of the continent), but
>> I would do so more to get ideas as to how to structure my workout,
>> not how to swing a kettlebell.
>>
>>> And before you start selling KBs anywhere, make sure you know how
>>> to use them. I suggest becoming a Certified Russian Kettlebell
>>> Challenge Instructor. Think that's easy to do?
>>
>> Let's not get carried away here. Steve seems like a pretty sharp
>> guy, and he's a certified KB instructor, so there's probably
>> *something* to the certification, but you can't hardly expect all
>> of us to drink that deeply of the KB coolaid.
>
> Everyone's different. I learned on my own from videos and books and
> asking questions, then went to the instructor certification where I
> don't think they changed much about what I did but they did teach me
> how to teach the stuff. OTOH, I just taught the first class about
> which this thread was started, and one guy there has had the book
> and video for a couple of weeks, and some background in lifting -
> did it when he was younger - and he commented several times how much
> better he felt after some personal instruction. I notice people
> with martial arts experience seem to get it right away even if they
> haven't lifted before, for what that's worth.
Heck, I bet attending a class is even fun. Just meeting other people
interested in lifting heavy stuff is worth it in its own right.
> There is a particular style of doing all this Pavel teaches, and
> it's not your usual gym fare, so in that sense I think at least the
> basic RKC video makes a good companion to a first kettlebell for
> anyone getting started. The wrinkles due to the size/shape of the
> weight are the details that make a difference, e.g., when you
> military press a kb, you push it slightly away from you as you raise
> it because the weight is on the outside of your arm. If you don't
> know to do that, you'll still certainly get some sort of weight
> overhead, but knowing that helps you make progress faster. And so
> it goes with the snatch, which is significantly different from
> snatching a dumbbell, etc.
Thanks for responding.
Jason
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Author: Seth BreidbartDate: 17:03 06-04-06
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In article <87k6b5iuzx.fsf@workhorse.earlhome>,
Jason Earl <jearl@xmission.com> wrote:
>Is "expert instruction" really necessary.
It's quite useful.
> I mean, seriously, I am
>planning on getting some instruction in the Olympic lifts, but the
>kettlebell movements look pretty straightforward.
They mostly are, but I got them slightly wrong anyway. You might be
better.
> Not to mention the
>fact that one pood (love that name) isn't really all that heavy.
So when they had me do a swing with a one pood, I did it in slow
motion. (It's _supposed_ to be a ballistic exercise.) Obviously, I
needed to switch to a heavier weight.
> I could see getting a book, or perhaps attending a short class (too
>bad Steve lives on the other side of the continent), but I would do
>so more to get ideas as to how to structure my workout, not how to
>swing a kettlebell.
A short class (one hour to one day) should suffice. The video might
be better than the book, because you can look at details.
How to structure a workout you can get from a book or articles on the
web.
Seth
--
Who cares? Shut up and lift. -- Watson (the pencil neck) Davis
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